The Party of NO put up impressive numbers in Tuesday’s primary. Their candidate, Bill Lover says he can hardly wait to start in on budget cuts for 2010. He’s never recommended any budget cuts to the city council in four years and he recently voted to accept 100% of staff recommendations on the last budget meeting. I guess he really is staff driven!
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Wow, Ron. Close one there. Thank goodness for the sake of us poor souls here in Yakima that this was only the primary. I just hope we get saved from our stupid selves come November.
When are you going to honest and start calling the citizens of Yakima what they are? INCOMPETENT IDIOTS WHO WON’T VOTE THE RIGHT WAY! Seriously, that’s what you must be thinking, isn’t it?
“Glad its only a Primary!”
HAHAHA, get used to it buddy, hmm, looks like the “shrinking party of no” isn’t so weak after all! I am sure you think you dodged a bullet, but just wait for the REAL election…can you say landslide?
Wow looks like Lover and Ettl kicked some democrat butt last night.
I went back a few weeks and broght up some old posts that might have been forgoten
the first one is a classic meat head statement
“mainstreeter says: July 24, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Dave, I can’t see you getting beyond the primary, the voters will crush your nuts. The mayor recommended Sonia in the first place. We cannot fail.”
number 2
mainstreeter says: July 25, 2009 at 7:58 pm
I wont need it, KSHit radio doesn’t garner the fan base the DAVE needs.
We are working you guys in a false sense of security, keep dreaming. We have the emails and the voter outreach between now and Nov. Debates are something you guys fear.
Your own words are something you fear.
Come on guys!
Yes, flat out you won the primary but remember…. it is not over until the fat lady signs.
Though it is a wake up call for the candidates to reach out and ask for help…..because believe me, I do appreciate being asked to help and not be taken for granted that I will do so.
And it is also time for their supporters to get busy.
Well, Streeter..looks like being a chickens**t saved you a hundred bucks. Obviously you’re not interested in a general election wager.
Hmmm..an oddly silent crowd..HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAH
did you hear the afternoon update on KIT (thats KSH*t for meathead)on Friday, they interviewed Bruce Smith regarding politics in Yakima. Hmmmm I did not get to hear from Ron, wonder why, O wait because no body cares what Ron has to say
Neal,
Have your laugh at the local level, in this rural pocket of a Republican stronghold.
On the state level, we are the rule
and lets not talk about the national level.
I suppose I could do the same thing you did above, waste my time with a bun of ha s on the Sotomayor appointment and when the Democrates find their pants and vote for health reform, another ha,
In the meantime, we need to gain more ground at the local level, which we are.
I hope us liberal bleeding hearts that feel for others get busy and shove your ha s where it hurts.
Hector, I’m not sure what planet you’re on right now. I have to guess you don’t read newspapers, or you’d know Obama, Biden and Pelosi’s approval ratings are sinking faster than the Titanic. His numbers at 100 days are worse than Carter’s. And they’ve gone down more since then. Problem is, since your party controls everthing, they have no excuses for why things suck so badly. My 500 dollar bet with you for the mid-terms looks better every day.
I am on the planet Earth, North America, USA, where Sotomayor was just appointed to the Supreme Court, the Democratic control congress and will pass a health bill….
As to the polls, Obama takes the long point of view and so do I. We look to the distant shore in the midst of a storm. Actually, I am quoting Axelrod.
It is a long way to the mid-terms buddy, hold my cash. Do not spend it yet.
Hector, I like your style. I’m a Republican, Hector…I don’t spend cash I don’t have. I do have plans for yours tho..
http://cookpolitical.com/
That’s a link to the Cook Report.
Here’s a Bio on Charlie Cook.
http://www.edcase.com/senate/img/Cook_bio.pdf
He thinks I’m going to win my bet easily. He does this election predicting for a living. He thinks you’ll lose about 20 seats. That would be good for me and the nation.
The Dems can pass any legislation they want. They won’t pass anything they think will hasten their demise at the polls. And health care is looking a lot like it fits in that category.
Yes, Sotomayor was appointed to the supreme court, the democrat controlled congress probably will pass the health care bill….Obama reinstated the VA “death book”, how long do you think it will be until WE are filling out the “Death Book” for end of life planning.
You don’t spend money on the healthy, you spend it on the sick, so how do you reduce the amount we spend on health care? You ration it based on predetermined factors, such as age, and cost of procedures, that is why Obama has said that “grandma” should be told to take a pain pill instead of getting a pacemaker…sounds a lot like a death panel to me.
When Bush was President you guys pointed to the polls all the time. you lived on his low polling data…now we are seeing poll numbers drop like a rock for Obama and now all of a sudden, you don’t care about the poll numbers because you are looking toward the future? come on get real…that is what Bush said, and you all made fun of him for not listening to the public opinion polls. double standard
It IS a long way to the mid-terms, the longer it is away, the more Obama’s numbers go down, and the better for the GOP
Jason,
Well then, we had better make hay while it is our time. Just like Bush and his cronies did. I wonder how many folks got rich, oil, Iraq and Afganistan wars and god knows what else, while you fools were supporting him. Do you really think he gave a shit about you…
Spot on Hector, these guys want to stay locked into the good ol’ days where lies and more lies ruled the day. If I remember, Bush was around 40% on Sept 11th. I don’t see this president sleeping on presidential memos warning of “binLaden determined to strike targets in America” ya know? Lets hope we don’t have a sleepy headed prez like that again.
Make hay while the sun shines? So…take us to the cleaners quickly? Hector, I thought more of you earlier.
And Bush making people rich? You talking about whom? Halliburton? Read this, if you have indeed come back to planet Earth.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=11068
Demonizing and blame is now part of your schtick, Hector? Sorry to hear that…I thought we might enjoy a beer together sometime. I’ll buy with the 500.
Obviously, Streeter is in another world. Bush’s approval ratings were well over 50% (more like 55) when 9-11 hit, then they went to 90%. Again, anything Streeter has to say is irrelevant.
as Rham Emanuel says “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste — and what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you didn’t think you could do before.” so they create a “crisis” to push their 40 year old wish list. Go ahead and make hay while you can because it is coming to an end, the American people are starting to see through your party’s lies, and that’s why Obama’s numbers are sinking….he is losing credibility within his own party.
Obama already took us to the cleaners, but he’s not done yet, he won’t be satisfied until he takes over the cleaners.
First of all, Neal, I do not write for anyone’s opinion but to express my own so you can save that line of persuation.
I would much rather debate issues but sometimes it is very difficult to not respond in-kind.
Take Jason for example: “Obama already took us to the cleaners, but he’s not done yet, he won’t be satisfied until he takes over the cleaners”.
This sounds like a script right out of the Rove/Cheny smoked mirrors tool box with not one ounce of intelligence behind his ranting. It is like, “The is boogey man is going to get you”.
How quickly you all forget that Bush left us in the middle of a recession that he created by a run on the till.
I see Obama as working his way through the recession trying to rebuild the this nation.
I see him taking on serious issues that neither Bushes were willing to take. He himself has said that he is more concerned with doing what needs to be done rather then getting elected for a second term.
But I would not count him out seven months into his term, whatever the ratings are.
Everyone’s underestimation won him the presidency.
Hector
Obama already took over banking institutions, car companies, he is trying to take over health care…he wants control over every aspect of our lives, so when I say “Obama already took us to the cleaners, but he’s not done yet, he won’t be satisfied until he takes over the cleaners”. I am just looking at what he HAS done already and using my intelligence to predict what might happen next.
The recession was caused by the housing market bubble, and since Obama has been “fixing” the problems, they have all gotten worse. If Bush created this recession with “a run on the till” what do you think Obama has been doing? http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/
Hector, do you ever get the feeling that the cons and their failing agenda has reduced them to a bunch of whiny crybabies? Obama can still repair most of the damage done by these cons, and it’s time he just goes ahead and does it. The country has waited long enough for the repubs to take their seats so we can all get moving in the right (correct) direction. We really can’t wait any longer for them, so we need to put the pressure on the progressives in the House and Senate to stand together for us, and not the cons agenda. Our first step towards returning and securing democracy came in November 2008, but we have a long way to go.
Hector
I was rereading a post of yours. You stated you were making gains locally. Care to share where? All I can think of is the Mayor’s annointed Sonia. And she seems to be in a fight. Have I missed something while I’ve been away?
Drew…I notice on your last 2 posts you’ve only addressed people who agree with you. You seeking a spine donor like Streeter?
Neal,
If I told you where we are gaining ground, then it would take away your individual initative to investigate….
Jason, just my point. Rove/Cheney feeds the Heritage Foundation and you all quote from the same source.
As to your predictions, they are just that, your personal predictions, which by the way, are suspect because they are waaay too biased.
But since you quote Heritage, let me quote something that I think summarizes you all perfectly.
I read Leonard Pitts Jr.’s (A Black Columnist) column this past Sunday. I give you his first paragraph only:
THINGS THAT DIVIDE US ARE LESS GEOGRAPHICAL THAN SPIRITUAL
Seattle Times, Sunday, August 23, 2009
“Last year, Obama was elected president, the first American of African heritage ever to reach that office. If this was regarded as a new beginning by most Americans, it was regarded apocalyptically by others who promptly proceeded to lose their minds and any pretense of enlightenment.”
Do you all need a translation?
Hector, you haven’t won anything locally since Bonlender won once (a common practice with Dems)
So what investigation do you recommend, Hector Rockford?
(I was gonna use a reference to a Bogart character, but I feared being labeled a racist.)
Hector,
I did not quote Heritage, I did however link to it, since you think that Bush created the recession by “a run on the till” I was only pointing out that Obama is waaay outspending Bush.
My prediction is an educated prediction based on Obama’s current history of take overs, and I admit it is a little biased, just as you are biased in the opposite direction.
Translation: you believe that all white guys are prejudice…that is clear to me. but I will tell you something, YOU are the one that must be prejudice, and racist for thinking that of all white conservatives. My best friend is Hispanic, he is a school teacher, and he is liberal, I, sir, am not prejudice or racist at all. When you resort to name calling it is a sure sign that you are losing the argument- just a little tip for you-
Neal,
Feel free to speak your mind, anything goes. As Pitts stated, “you have lost all pretense of enlightenment.”
Thank you Hector, for your permission to speak my mind that is very big of you, since this IS AMERICA and I AM free to speak my mind!
oops, you only gave Neal permission to speak his mind…my mistake, I must have “lost all pretense of enlightenment.”
neal- are you having trouble reading all the comments? I could make the words smaller for you.
Hector- I need not remind you that only the republicans in the Bushler White House are allowed to grant permission to speak (although Rove and Cheney have stuck around to continue to try to crush our Constitution and Bill of Rights).
Heritage, a con “think” tank that spent a lot of time and money to put other cons (like Bush/Cheney) in office, and then help protect them when they break the law.
Unfortunate but predictable you couldn’t answer my question, Hector.
Hector, I read the entire editorial, not just the parts you cherry picked. Nowhere did he say ” You have lost all pretense of enlightenment”. So be careful with your quotation marks.
I agree with some things he says. I can’t get behind radicals of either party. Certainly not ones toting guns in public.
Attempting to paint everyone who didn’t vote for Obama as racist is an excercise in folly and stupidity. Certainly some did. Certainly some voted for him just BECAUSE he is black. So that “R” card flies both ways.
Having lived in a society where I was the racial minority and outcast for a few years, I have seen both sides to at least a small degree. Wouldn’t presume to know what it’s like to have it daily and for life. I now live part time in a city that has a very large black population, and I feel lucky to be friends with some of them. One of my best friends here is a 400+ pound black gay man who I love to have a beer with. We have spirited political debate.
Drew, your words could possibly get smaller, but your ideas couldn’t. How is it to live in a world like yours? LEFT IS GOOD…RIGHT IS BAD… How sad to always have someone else always do your thinking for you. Guess it frees up some time tho.
And, looking at the time stamps on your postings…unless you’re on the east coast, I’m sorry I’m making you lose sleep. Maybe MJ’s doctor can help you out.
neal- maybe the ideas DO need to get smaller, in order for you to understand. Since Reagan, it was never about “right vs. “left”. It became a battle against America’s middle class, waged by the neo-cons. Your party played a big part in that, and, and it makes a mockery of democracy every day. By the way, I am not on the east coast, and you could never make me lose any sleep.
Drew. you really cut me to the quick with that zinger.
With all your pseudo-intellectual rantings in here, one would think you’d know we live in a republic, not a democracy. The founding fathers wrote about the folly of democracy and avoided it at all cost.
There is no “battle against America’s middle class” Reagan and Bush gave us a tax cut, and we prospered from it. Your party however has declared war on the wealthy, and Biden says it is patriotic for wealthier people to pay higher taxes.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26771716/
Everything your party has proposed is being put on the backs of the wealthy, expanding the national debt, and borrowing from China.
If you read the article you will see just how right McCain was, and how Obama’s policies are hurting America. Obama said himself that our spending(his policy) was unsustainable. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aJsSb4qtILhg
Jason,
Apparently, you do need a translation because the quote from Pitt does not speak of racisim and neither did I.
I doubt that a reasonable person could reach your understanding/translation as you state it:
Jason’s Translation & Comentary: you believe that all white guys are prejudice…that is clear to me. but I will tell you something, YOU are the one that must be prejudice, and racist for thinking that of all white conservatives. My best friend is Hispanic, he is a school teacher, and he is liberal, I, sir, am not prejudice or racist at all. When you resort to name calling it is a sure sign that you are losing the argument- just a little tip for you-
Jason, it has got to be a bit of a streach for you to come up with that translation/understanding from the first paragraph of Pitt’s editorial.
I will give you a more basic translation:
When Obama won the Presidency of the United States, if the majority of America saw it as a good thing, a minority group of people saw it as the end of the earth and went crazy and your raggedy ass is showing.
How can you claim that I say that all white guys are prejudice from that?
If Bush was so great Kneel, how come his last approval was in the 20′s? Even Clinton did better after impeachment in the 60′s.
“Jonah Goldberg hates it when people play the race card, except when Glenn Beck does it and loses 33 advertisers”
Hector,
explain to me WHY a minority group of people would see it as the end of the earth? Your party is running around calling anyone who disagrees with Obama’s policies a racist.
“Last year, Obama was elected president, the first American of African heritage ever to reach that office. If this was regarded as a new beginning by most Americans, it was regarded apocalyptically by others who promptly proceeded to lose their minds and any pretense of enlightenment.”- what he is saying is the first black man was elected president…many people regarded this as a new beginning(because we are finally over our racism? if this is not what he means, please feel free to “enlighten” me) but for a small amount of people, they thought it was the end of the world(because they are still racist and cannot accept the fact that a black man was elected president?) come on now Hector, we both know what is being eluded to.
Jason,
The quote is Pitts’, a black columnist, not the Democratic Party’s. I put it up because it describes this particular minority group very well.
I must say though, You did much better in your second attempt at the translation of his first paragraph but I still like my translation better. It is just more down to earth, if you know what I mean.
Hector’s translation of the Pitts quote:
When Obama won the Presidency of the United States, if the majority of America saw it as a good thing, a minority group of people saw it as the end of the world and went crazy and your raggedy ass is showing.
Jason, I would not be so presumptious to charge racisim as the reason that the minority group went crazy, or even to say that I know why the minority group went crazy. Shit happens you know…
Perhaps some reflection may lead you to the answer as to why the minority group went crazy.
Pitts is a “left leaning independent”. In at least a quarter of his columns he writes about RACE…he wrote that Obama was the first BLACK man to reach office of the presidency, a NEW BEGINING for majority of Americans, while the END OF THE WORLD for the minority (that did not vote for him)…and those people are not enlightened. How can NOT voting for someone and disagreeing with someone be misconstrued as those people being unenlightened, and losing their minds? Unless…he is saying there is some underlying reason for the anger that would cause people to lose it.
On top of this paragraph that you quoted, your party is claiming that the republican party IS racist.
I will tell you why people are protesting, and disagreeing with Obama, it has nothing to do with race, it has to do with policy, Obama is disregarding the constitution and taking over car companies, banking institutions and wants control of our health care. Everything he has said has been a lie. He appoints Czars who do not have to go thru any type of confirmation process, and have no accountability, except to Obama. He wants to destroy capitalism, and those “evil profits” need to be taxed (windfall profit tax). Bad policies!! Bad policies are why we “tinfoil hat”, “conspiracy theorist”, “racists” are going crazy. Reflect on that.
Jason,
I did reflect on the fact that you claim the craziness has to do with what you percieve as BAD OBAMA POlicy and nothing to do with racisim.
So what is it that your party would recommend? So far all I have heard is no no no no and absolutely not!
Would you rather he had done nothing, in which case, we would now be in the midst a full blown world depression, the likes of which would be truely apocalyptic?
Does your party have nothing to offer except more of the smoke and mirrors fear bullshit that it learned so well from Cheney/Rove/Bush? (please notice order of importance)
But I do understand that you are now looking in from the outside and your feeling of hopelessness, with nothing to do except to go crazy!
But your raggedy ass is still showing and columnists are starting to call you all on it.
See Ryan Blethen, Times Editorial Page Editor, Seattle Times, August 23,2009, “Write What You Want to Write But Understand the Consequences.” (includes the story about Hal Turner, a radio internet host and blogger who wrote that three federal judges should be killed because of their ruling against NRA. He is now in jail)
Also see David Sirota, Syndicated Columnist, “First Amendment Trumps Second Amendment.” Also on the Seattle Times, August 23, 2009. He is critical of bringing guns to political events and recommends making public political events firearm free zones to, “honor our democratic ideals by declaring that politics may be war, but in America it is war without bloodshed.”
Maybe we should have gone crazy on Bush to stop him from going into the wars and his run on the till
but we were spooked and duped by fear after 9/11 and his play with words on fear.
Maybe, we are just more civil.
Or maybe, like Pitts says, we are different spiritually.
I suspect, it is all of the above.
I hope that while reflecting on what I wrote, you understand now that the (minority) people that did not vote for Obama are not necessarily racist. If you REALY believe that people ONLY voted for McCain because they were racist, I feel soo sorry for you…you must live a miserable life, and hate all of “us”.
“Maybe we should have gone crazy on Bush to stop him from going into the wars and his run on the till
but we were spooked and duped by fear after 9/11 and his play with words on fear.”*** WOW you really have a different recollection of what happened during the Bush years. From protests, to hanging him in effigy, to calling him names, the left DID go crazy, and they were against everything HE did. http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/09/10/a_new_low_in_bush_hatred/
More civil??? who’s using words like “your raggedy ass” and “bullshit”. Using words like that make you sound real educated and civil! NOT!
Bushler fucked up the intelligence leading to 9/11. Of course, asking if he had any either, is a stretch.
Mainstreeter
You exemplify my point exactly!!!
Thank you for helping me make my point. Democrats can’t help it, they can’t be civil, or intelligent.
Jason,
Now you are sounding just like tommy whats his name, childish and without content.
My using words like raggedy ass and bullshit are for emphisis and to try to reach you, it has nothing to do with my level of intellegince.
I still ask you what the hell republicans stand for except no no no and absolutely not!
try watching some news that actually reports, instead of repeats the Obama mantra…there are many ideas and bills the republicans have written…when it comes to health care reform, lets start with tort reform, health care reserve accounts, and tax credits for those that pay for their own insurance. I know you will poo poo this link but here it is, (if the president can say wee wee, I can say poo poo)read it please
http://www.republican-leadership.com/node/751
The words you use absolutely DO portray your intelligence. A well educated person should not need the use of such language, I got your attention without using vulgar language, didn’t I?
Jason, nothing un civil about calling it what it is, the last 8 years under Bush were a disaster. A failed war and a bankrupted economy that will take years to fix.
Jason,
I copied this off your last citation word for word:
Despite all this action on the GOP side, Republicans rarely talk positively about how to fix the health care system but talk incessantly about what’s wrong with “Obamacare.”
The attack strategy certainly is working, up to a point. A Quinnipiac University poll released last week showed that the public disapproves the president’s handling of health care 52 percent to 39 percent.
At the same time, though, the poll showed that voters trust Obama to fix health care more than Republicans, 47 percent to 36 percent.
Last month’s NBC-Wall Street Journal poll showed that the public trusts Democrats on health care over Republicans 40 percent to 23 percent.
Jason, you need to be more careful of what you cite to support your arguements. The last part of the article supports my arguement more then it does yours.
As to my intelligence, do not worry your raggedy ass about it. My intelligence is just fine.
As to my attention, you did have it…it was fun toying with you for a while.
Hector
I linked to that article, because I agree with it…why do you think I need to be more “careful”, republicans are doing a horrible job of getting their ideas out to the people, that is why the polls are showing what they show.
Your argument was that the republicans are the party of “no” and have no plans of their own, and I say YOU ARE WRONG, republicans DO have ideas and plans, but you just choose to ignore them so you can stick to your old tired Obama mantra.
Your intelligence IS “just fine”, only mine is greater, and it has been fun reading your racist inspired reasoning….you libs get all “wee weed up” too easily, this is just too fun!
Mainstreeter
What IS uncivil is your language, and your hatered for “Bushler”
If the last 8 years were such a disaster, why didn’t he only have 4 years, why go thru another 4 years if it was sooo bad?
Failed war? I don’t think so…we were winning the war, it is not lost, and the war will be won if Obama doesn’t mess it up.
Bankrupt economy? When Bush left office we were in a recession, our economy was not “bankrupt” but now…sure, we are going bankrupt…thanks to the “Bamster”. Obama made a bad economy worse.
“Failed war? I don’t think so…we were winning the war, it is not lost”…
Jason, how is it we were ever ‘winning’ it? We’re still there after 6 years fighting a nation of 25 million people much like Nam. Most every other ‘coalition of the willing’ else has left. If torture methods worked, we’d be out of there. They don’t.
Why call our president “bamster” Sounds racist to me.
Bamster…rhymes with “Hamster”
Denotes one who runs on the same wheel all day, not knowing where they’re going, and no clue why they’re not getting there. Seems to fit this administration.
Actually, I like the name “Barack Hussein Al-Obama” He could even drop the Hussein, as the addition of Al- would harken enough to his Muslim roots. He even would have his own song then…Sweet Home Al-Obama
More racism from the high fivin white guys here. No wonder Yakima has problems.
Now see what you started, Jason…you hath offended Streeter’s god, and he smiteth you with the “R” card. I hopeth thou art happy.
HAHAHAHA!!! this is sooo much fun, I love making these left wing radicals go crazy! All I have to do is tell them the truth, and they go nuts. (I hope thid didn’t sound racist)
Don’t hold back.
I think Al-Obummer likes me
After all the hate talk, the constant vile crap out of Mainstreeter he now gets his pink pantys in a knot over his percived notion of racism. Talk about double standerd
Stir- You spell worse than Glenn Beck.
Both proud graduates of the Charter School for Kids Who Can’t Spell Good
Good??? hahahahaha
Mainstreeter it looks like Neal can spell two words OK. Good and ha! I am not counting hahahaha as more than one word. I figured Neal got his fingers stuck on those two keys on his keyboard…
I’m not surprised that’s all you saw, Randall…you don’t have free vision care yet. Nor free grammar check.
And Randall..How funny it was that you tried to bounce your idea of an intelligent comment off of streeter, who wouldn’t have any concept.
Neal, sorry to inform you but I do have medical insurance that I pay dearly for that pays for free vision care. The insurance company does its best to reject the claim, but in the end (after hours on the phone with them and then my doctor’s staff rebilling them, making the doctor’s staff do twice as much work) they finally do pay. It should not have to be this way.
A society is only as good as its weakest link.
Neal someday your going to need a helping hand…
Randall brings up a good point about the effeciency of universal healthcare- In countries like England, doctors offices don’t have a need for a lot of staff whose sole responsibility is to negotiate and re-negotiate with the folks providing the coverage, because your care is already paid for. That part of the budget can go towards the operation of a lab, or the aquisition of new computers or x-ray equipment.
This is one of the many reasons that systems like the NHS cost the citizens less than the rationed care that the health insurance providers dole out in America. It’s really ironic that Americans like Neal pay more (up to 5 times more) for health care in the U.S. than his foreign counterparts in Japan, Canada, Germany, France, the U.K., or any other developed country in the world, only to wonder how much of the bill they will be left to pay for. The average U.S. citizen is now paying over %7200 annually for their own individual helathcare, which calcualtes to 16% of the USGDP (CNN). No other country comes close to that. But then, no other country would allow unregulated corporate profits to have priority over the basic health of every citizen.
Drew (and I have enough bals to address someone with whom I don’t agree)
The NHS in England is your shining example? That is the most broken system of health care in Europe. They pay less and receive less. They have cancer survival rates that are dismal compared to the US. And, having had two close relatives survive cancer here, that’s an issue that hits close to home.
Worldwide, the US is tops in cancer survival rates. England is 16th. Little to do with corporate profit…everything to do with timely accessibility.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560849/UK-cancer-survival-rate-lowest-in-Europe.html
Now, promise me no waiting lines.I don’t have them now.
Sorry, but your numbers are way off. The BBC reported just last week that cancer survival rates inmost parts of England are around 25% better than they were just 5 years ago, but England has always had better survival rates than the U.S. for cancer. And the NHS continues to keep their people healthy with the most effective smoking cessation program in the world. The infant mortality rate in the UK is much better than here. Same goes for the reduction in people with hypertension, heart disease, diabetes, and stroke. And the waiting line story is a rumor fueled by the insurance industry, and ultra-right wing papers like the Telegraph and Daily Mail. If you need care, you get that care, immediately. You will not find one mainstream citizen in the UK, of any political stripe, that thinks the NHS is inferior to a private, for profit structure like ours. No one. I fact, they use words and phrases like “national treasure”, and “a godsend”, and “an absolute necessity” when describing the NHS. Not one British Member of Parliament would even suggest that the NHS should be sacked, because it would end his/her political career (one senior citizen there told me that if Thatcher would have mentioned it, she would have been recalled- “We wouldn’t have waited for the next election”. And she was a Thatcher supporter!). You can read an article in a conservative paper that is known for criticizing every facet of government, even when they don’t get the facts straight (which is most of the time). Until you can experience the Natioanl Health Service firsthand in some way, instead of letting your cons fishwrapper do your thinking for you, you’ve got nothing.
Randall question
How can you have free vision care if you pay dearly for it.
If you pay for it, it is not FREE
The obvious point that stick doesn’t get is that Randall pays a lot for his healthcare, and he happens to get full reimbursement for at least some portion of his vision care. This makes Randall one of the luckier ones in America, where many either can’t get vision care that actually covers a pair of glasses 100%, and many more don’t even have vison care offered in their plans. Just the same, Americans are paying much more than anyone else in the world for their care. Peripheral coverage plans, like dental and vision, have been dropped from the employer-offered plans in the U.S. over the last few years, while those same insurers made record high profits (if you deny claims while raising premiums, you increase profits- a practice first suggested to Nixon to convince him to start the deregualtion of the healthcare industry. He listened).
Drew
where do you find all of your made up statistics? Cancer care in the U.S. is better than anywhere in the world. http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba596
Daniel Hannan is a member of the British Parliament and he has warned us about the dangers of socialized health care. The British people don’t want to get rid of the system they have now, because it is all they know…and are afraid of the idea of having to “pay for it”
Drew, the London Telegraph didn’t lie..England has never had better cancer survival rates than the US..not in 2007..not now. And there’s a reason for it. England trails all of Europe, and all of Europe trails us. Here’s another wonderful story about the NHS for you..although you are way to blinded by Bonlender…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6113650/Patients-more-likely-to-go-hungry-than-prisoners.html
You guys are getting desperate. I’ve already gambled Hector’s money..anyone else want a piece? (I know not Drew or Streeter..Chickenshit runs in the family there)
Too
kneel/jason- Statistics not made up, but lived firsthand (something you two can’t accept, so you let con newspapers do your thinking for you). Jason, Hannan is not a member of the British Parliament, but Hannity knew that you gullible Fixed News viewers wouldn’t know the difference between an MP in the British Parliament, and an MEP representing a very wealthy district in London for the EU (the European Union has no say whatsover in the operation of the NHS). If Hannan was an MP, he could have been censured by either his own party, or Parliament itself, but he’s not, and the Brits are very angry with him about that. Time for you to get your facts straight, Jason.
Here’s some more for you; in Hannan’s district of Kensington, which has some of the wealthiest British citizens, the NHS has reduced the cancer death rate by over 25%. Stroke survival is up by over 30%, and deaths from heart disease and diabetes down by around 20%. Average lifespan is 7 years longer where Hannan lives, and private health care providers had nothing to do with those numbers. Hannan also conveniently didn’t mention that he and his family have been frequent recipients of NHS care. He’s also a multi-millionaire who has private insurance, so why wouldn’t a guy like that hop on a plane and come over here to get care, Jason? Makes one ask how much Hannan was “reimbursed” for his trip to Hannity’s show.
No MP has EVER suggested the NHS be replaced, because the people would never allow a for-profit system that rations care to make a ridiculous profit. No one Jason, and you might know that if you thought outside the Fox once in awhile. The shadow party leader presently is David Cameron, and is about as conservative as one gets in England. He’s got nothing but praise for the National Health Service, since his family has had their serious medical issues cared for there for some time. Gordon Brown, also supports the NHS, and has had personal experiences in the system, which you have not. Thatcher, who privatized everything she could get her hands on (water, gas, electricity, under the advice of Reagan), would never touch the NHS, because it would have ended her political career almost instantly, as one very conservative senior told me. Guess where Thatcher is currently, Jason.
How much money does Murdoch’s “News”corp make from the healthcare lobby? And why are they still using Rick Scott as their “expert” on this topic, after he was forced to resign after bilking the Medicare program out of billions as a CEO in the industry? Not exactly a credible source, but Fox has some strange allies.
Brits who know that we pay more than they do so a private company can make a profit from the citizens do not want to trade their system for ours, Jason. You will not find one person in any survey in the UK who thinks we have a better system. Further, they think it’s deplorable and very unethical that Fox News is allowed to lie about the quality and availability of care from the NHS, just to insure that the insurance companies can continue to make a profit from you.
Hannity left the facts out to protect the insurance companies, and put up a person who doesn’t represent the British Parliament, and you bought it, just as we predicted you would when we watched it on the BBC.
One more thing Jason- Thatcher, who is worth several million, and has private insurance, is currently being cared for in one of the best Alzheimer’s facilities in Europe, operated by the National Health Service.
Jason- you cited the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA), which is a well-known but not so well-respected conservative think tank. Insurance companies (fearful of losing all the money they are taking from you), and big pharma (concerned that they can no longer lie about the quality of Canadian meds, since they are the ones who SELL the meds to Canada), and the HMOs (who have nighmares about being regulated again into non-profit status) all go to NCPA when they are having trouble defending their profits-over-people philosophy. In desperation, the corporations that have been raking in billions in profits while sacrificing the health of Americans, finds itself having to hide behind the very people they steal from. They appreciate you being there for them, and in their gratitude, they’ll be raising your premiums.
Drew
I am glad that you know more about the British government than I do, it shows that you DO have something worth contributing to this blog. Even though I got Daniel Hannan’s position wrong, the point is still valid…not everyone “loves” their government controlled health care, like you claim. There are people out there that you like to ignore, or pass off as weirdos, or whatever, who do not like their bankrupt system.
Daniel Hannan may not be a member of parliament, but he did speak for many people, as you could hear from the applause that he got as he scolded the Prime Minister on the “devalued government” if he can speak for his countrymen then, he can speak for them about health care now.
o.k so you don’t like the NCPA link, try some of these… http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1885832/posts
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1560849/UK-cancer-survival-rate-lowest-in-Europe.html
are they too conservative for you also? I can give you some more links that prove the U.S. has better cancer survival rates than Europe.
Who do you think comes up with most of these medical breakthroughs…it is our corporations and pharmaceutical companies that create new drugs, and new medical technology. How much profit SHOULD they be allowed to make? Their medicines save the lives of millions of people a year. How much is that worth?