As yet another shooting involving a crazed lunatic and deputies in Pierce County is being investigated, everybody except the NRA and their enablers is asking once again how a mentally unstable person can be in possession of several deadly weapons, even after numerous contacts with police and the courts. This latest shooting incident, which initially was reported as an ambush upon deputies responding to a domestic violence call, should make the sane in our community ask how another mentally unstable person got his hands on a deadly weapon with the intent of killing another human being. Naturally, the pro-gun folks will attempt to say that any attempt to limit access to deadly weapons would also affect the rights of the law-abiding folk- a group to which David Edward Crable would have insisted he belonged.
Crable, like Maurice Clemmons, (the person who shot and killed four PCSO deputies a few weeks ago in Parkland), had a long history of violence and substance abuse, and, like Clemmons, there were many people who were concerned for their safety around him.
Just not the Cold Dead Fingers Club.
The NRA and friends will continue to try and prevent the rest of us from being safe from their own lunatic fringe, by not doing a damn thing to prevent people like Crable from obtaining a deadly weapon. If you visit most online gun retailers, you have always been able to find flag-waving banners claiming the 2nd Amendment is in jeopardy, of which they have zero proof. Not one congress member has ever stood up and proposed confiscating everyone’s guns, and they know it. But, as the cons all know, fear is a powerful motivator, particularly amongst the uneducated and uninformed. Not surprisingly, it helps to funnel billions in campaign donations to pro-gun candidates, to the NRA’s pro-death lobby, and of course, the gun manufacturers, who must think this whole “Obama/Pelosi” thing is a financial pot o’ gold for them. Even more disturbing then is the number of online gun dealers with anti-Obama banner ads, around a crowd that includes those who spend a lot of time thinking about doing our leaders and representatives harm. Scary, frightening, and downright unsettling to say the least, to rational Americans that are asking when all of the violence and senseless bloodshed will end.
The NRA seems to be the only group unwilling to ask that question.
The NRA for entertainment like a vegas junket should arrange for weekend junkets to Mexico where they can hookup with the drug cartels and watch how an AK-47 and the like are so effective in slaughtering mexican police and army personnel. After all isn’t that the purpose of owning these types of armaments? Their zeal for protecting their personal rights has led to unchecked movement of vast amounts of guns to Mexico.. the irony of it is that the unabated killings in Mexico will eventually affect our freedom here.
As you stated…this is under investigation, so we do not know all the facts yet, what we do know is that according to the news report he had no convictions until may 28th. He had his guns before the conviction, so how do you know he obtained them illegally? You don’t care about how or where he got the guns, if he passed a background check, or anything, all you care about is that he had guns and you don’t think ANYONE should be allowed to have guns. A background check would not prevent someone, who is angry all the time, from purchasing a gun. Your real agenda is to get all guns out of the hands of every American. You are not interested in keeping guns away from criminals, you want guns banned…period.
Violence and bloodshed will never end…since the beginning of time (before guns) people have killed each other. Getting rid of guns will not end the violence and bloodshed that you talked about. As much as you like to blame violence on the NRA, they did NOT invent violence, people killed each other way before the NRA, or guns existed.
mgunder acknowledged that gun ownership is a right, so do you want to scrap the Constitution? All I ask is when you answer my questions you be honest, if you don’t like the Constitutional rights that we have, just tell me.
A background check would keep psycho right wingers from becoming cop killers
I always carried a rifle whenever I left the village on foot or on a vehicle, unless someone else was along. We took rifles on school field trips and posted riflemen/women along the cross-country trails. It was a way of life and also absolutely necessary. The school arranged for voluntary firearms instruction for upper elementary students. I sold my rifle to the wife of another teacher when I left the Yukon. She took it with her when she rode her bicycle. In fifteen years I heard about three shootings in my area of the bush and all were accidental.
There are never any grounds for reasonableness with the NRA regarding gun control. The use of AK-47′s for example by the general populace is madness. One can see using firearms for hunting and sporting reasons but to insist that any device capable of propelling any projectile of any size and at any rate per minute should be allowed is over interpreting the second amendment. Do we allow the use of canons capable of projecting 50 pound balls or machine guns firing 50 rounds per minute by the general populace? NRA members may not be the direct cause off the violence but it sure the hell doesn’t want to help control the vast amount of armaments loose in our society. I can see no social redeeming value in allowing saturday specials and the like in society.
Eleanor-
my old man, (a staunch conservative), learned to shoot on the family ranch in Wyoming, and became quite the marksman by the time he joined the Army in 1941. In rural 1930s WY, nearly all of the boys, and probably a couple of the girls too, carried guns to school. They had to, either to protect themselves from animals, or to bring dinner home. My dad became an Army sniper in the Pacific Theater, and taught me how to shoot when I was 13. I still remember him explaining that guns were developed to do one thing- to send a high-velocity lead projectile downrange to kill something, and nothing else. We talked about gun laws and responsibility, and he made an interesting point: he said that while he believed fervently in the right to bear arms, he was certain that the 2nd Amendment would continue to be abused and redefined by the gun lobby, and that they would eventually have to resort to scaring us into believing that the gun police were right around the corner.
I still have the guns I learned to shoot with back in the late ’60s, and I have picked up a couple more along the way. My kids have learned to shoot with those original weapons too, and my daughter became an instant weapons expert in basic at Ft. Leonardwood (second highest score for a female recruit in base history, on all infantry weapons). Nobody in this house is “anti-gun”.
Sometimes the cons want to try and twist a blog into where they would wish the argument could go; i.e., total gun confiscation, etc. Maybe we should start by teaching them to read first- then we’ll try and tackle the problem of why they’re totally OK with the mentally unstable possessing firearms.
Getting rid of guns will not eliminate all homicidal violence, and I never said that. In fact, I have never suggested that no one should be allowed to own guns. But the easy accessibility of firearms to people who already have a known and documented history of violence does not make the community, or our police officers, any safer.
Nice of you libs to take tragedy and try to turn it to political gain. You miss the mark yet again in your rabid stupidity.
You should be ashamed…but I know better.
Merry Christmas!! (am I allowed to say that in here?)
Drew, in spite of the Neals and Jasons on this blog, you are the most adept at expressing what you really want to say, and I have to report, the two messages that you have placed above, so aptly hit the bullseye. The obscene interpretation of Amendment #2, and the selfish, deluded, and scary following of that interpretation by individuals who are frightened and phobic gives every excuse to the insecure, unstable, psycho person who will use violence as a way of life. And don’t forget, that gunshow is coming back to Yakima in February, ready to sell guns to the highest bidder. Shouldn’t someone in power be concerned? I certainly am. Keep guns out of the hands of criminals and unstable persons…and noting your various attitudes, I don’t care how many guns you have, just stop this insane interpretation of your right to smell cordite.
John Adams: “Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense.”
There is no obscene interpretation of the second amendment here. Let me put it this way…when you sell a car, you ask for more than you are willing to sell for, because you know that you will have an offer that is lower than the asking price…you bring down the price of the car and the buyer might pay more than his offer, but you meet somewhere in the middle- that is COMPROMISE- the same goes with gun laws…the anti-gun movement wants more restrictions, and bans on guns and the NRA and other pro-gun rights activists want less, so hopefully there will be a compromise somewhere in the middle, that both sides are ok with. All it means is that they are trying to keep our constitutional right to bear arms…nothing more, nothing less.
A background check will not do anything to prevent even a “psycho” from obtaining a weapon, if he has no documented background, whether it is criminal, or mental instability. One must have a criminal conviction or have been committed to a hospital BEFORE a background check will show anything. I do not want the mentally unstable, or criminals to have guns, but until we can predict (with 100% certainty) who will and who will not commit a crime, or become mentally unstable, you cannot deny anyone a constitutional right!
With that said, I would now like to wish everyone and their families a Merry Christmas!
Sundance, where you smelling cordite? Sources I read call it obsolete.
“The smell of cordite is frequently referenced (erroneously) in fiction to indicate the recent firing of weapons.”
Another batch of unresearched hyperbole from the libs..
Merry Christmas!!!
Sundance-
Good point. Your cordite reference is well-understood, even by some who wanted use it’s definition to briefly get away from the topic: that the mentally unstable can get their hands on firearms, and the cons are not about to allow that to change.
You noticed I said nothing about a background check here. Crable in fact DID have a history of violence, that was documented, and he had numerous contacts with PCSO in the past. Our responding officers (as well as fire and EMS) need to be advised ahead of time that a there are numerous deadly weapons at the address they are responding to. Other people in the community have rights, too. The right to as safe a workplace as possible for our first responders. The right to go home to their families at the end of a shift. And the rest of the community has a Constitutional right to be made as safe as possible from the lunatic fringe of the gun-toting right.
I would think that the NRA could get a ton of positive PR if they would EVER come out saying that they do not condone people like these cop killers having guns. Just once, I would like to see that. Yet, a few days after the Columbine High School tragedy, Chesty Hesty had a pro-gun convention a few miles from the school. The families of the victims asked the NRA to please go elsewhere in light of the pain they were all still feeling. The answer they got–no way. And then Chesty launched into his speech about how everyone needs a gun.
Sorry guys. You are your own worst enemy when it comes to public opinion on gun owners.
The NRA has had every chance to gain PR. They could have spoken out against assault weapons, kevlar piercing ammo, grenade launchers, and a raft of other things that were developed for military use only. But, they are so hung on second amendment their image is frightening. Chesty Hesty and Wayne LaPierre are images of gun lust and conspiracy theory.
Personally I have only a sandbag nest on my front lawn, but by the end of summer, I will have a concrete machine-gun bunker. I have neighbors that are just achin’ to see blue smoke in the air, and hear muffled explosions.
I’m thorougly convinced the NRA would revel in hideous joy and gaiety should a race war, or fundamental disagreement leading to open warfare come about. I sense it is their job (as seen by them) to make preparations and then to carry out gun warfare. No other mindset fits what they are doing.
Corie, to try to make sense of their direction is far removed from the drive of the general population. Their goal is to convert the weak and paranoid, and to try to show the Congress how many they have recruited–legislative support comes to them, because weakness and paranoia are not the exclusive endowment of the public–it exists in every wing of society.
Very true, Whoop. You may remember a few years ago the ousting of one of the editors of the American Rifleman magazine, Jim Zumbo. He had written for the NRA’s member magazine for many years on hunting, wildlife habitat, and survival techniques. He was very well respected by many gun owners. He decided to write an editorial showcasing the idiocy of owning assault rifles, since they had only one purpose. AK-47s, MAC-10s, MP5s and H&K 93s are a poor choice for hunting game, and are not much use on the target range, and he suggested that the responsible gun owner should not support civilians demanding possession of these people-killers. The NRA membership began demanding Zumbo be fired immediately, and that he never be allowed to write in NRA publications ever again. The NRA caved, but Zumbo did the right thing: he did not back down from his opinion that no civilian has a legitimate need or right to own an assault rifle. Protecting the lunatic fringe of the right was more important to the NRA than doing what’s right.
MGunder;
“December 23, 2009 at 5:31 pm
The NRA for entertainment like a vegas junket should arrange for weekend junkets to Mexico where they can hookup with the drug cartels and watch how an AK-47 and the like are so effective in slaughtering mexican police and army personnel. After all isn’t that the purpose of owning these types of armaments? Their zeal for protecting their personal rights has led to unchecked movement of vast amounts of guns to Mexico.. the irony of it is that the unabated killings in Mexico will eventually affect our freedom here.”
Good point, and believe me it has had an affect here already. Nearly a shooting a day, right here in River City. AND you don’t have to wear a pinch-back suit, call a bank shot or carry a copy of Captain Billy’s Whizbang in your hip pocket.
Insane homicidal killers would never own a gun if it was illegal. I guess murderers don’t know murder is illegal or they wouldn’t do it.
Deputy Mueller died tonight shortly after 5 pm at Harborview. Add his family, friends and fellow officers to the list of people we need to keep in our thoughts this season.